Listen to the episodeWho’s talking2 speakersCarol Guzy16 min · 79%Mihingarangi Forbes4 min · 21%Transcript41 turns · 21 minCGCarol Guzy0:00Well, to our next guest,MFMihingarangi Forbes0:01the first journalist to be honoured with four Pulitzer Prizes and a photographer unmatched in her field. Carol Guzzi covers humanitarian crises and conflict and has just won the World Press Photo Contest for the ninth time, this time for her image called Separated by Ice. You can take a look at that on rnz.co.nz slash Saturday. Also details there are of where that photo is on display at the World Press Photo and Dock Edge Immersive Exhibition. And you can catch that in Auckland until the 12th of July. Carol's work focuses on long-form documentary projects and news reporting. Previously, she's worked for the Miami Herald and the Washington Post. And I asked Carol to tell me the story of the winning photo.CGCarol Guzy0:48I had been covering ICE detainments at the courthouse in New York for years. Six months of last year and still occasionally this year. And that particular day, I stood by that hallway. I mean, there's different parts of the two floors that the ice agents are on, and we always have to choose sort of a corner. to be in. But that particular family seemed to have a sense of foreboding. The girls, even before they entered the courtroom, were holding on to him and crying. And obviously they're afraid. I mean, the hall was lined with ICE agents. And their worst fear came true as they walked out of the Out of the courtroom, the agents surrounded them. And then, of course, photographers surrounded the agents. Then it's a brief time of chaos. As we're trying to document, the agents are trying to make a detainment. And these young girls were just futilely holding on to their father's shirt. And it was profoundly pitiful to witness. They just didn't want to let him go. And, you know, of course, they weren't going to stop the detainment. But, you know, you never... Stop hearing the screams of the kids in situations like that. It is a photo that IMFMihingarangi Forbes2:06feel that I can hear, if that makes sense to you. What were some of the sounds that were accompanied what you were seeingCGCarol Guzy2:13that day? I just remember them screaming and I'm sure they were saying, Papa, Papa, Papi. I don't speak Spanish, so I don't know exactly what they were saying. There's video of it, but it's a little garbled because it was so, from the videos I've seen, I can't make out what they're actually saying. It's just the screams that are chilling.MFMihingarangi Forbes2:36Do you know what happened to Luis or to his family?CGCarol Guzy2:41No, I have been covering, I've been following a lot of families that grant me access after the detainments. But this particular family, I didn't see them directly. Immediately after the detainment, they went outside, and my colleague and friend, Dean Moses from AM New York, found them and interviewed them and did a story on them the next day. And they had said they were going to come to the church, St. Peter's Church, that's kind of an epicenter of aid for the migrants and people affected by these detainments. But they never showed up, and then they didn't answer his messages, and we have no idea what happened to them, unfortunately. Yeah.MFMihingarangi Forbes3:21When did you realise that you'd captured such a powerful image? Was it something that had struck you straight away that day?CGCarol Guzy3:29Well, as I said, it's chaos.Episode notesFour-time Pulitzer Prize winning photo-journalist, Carol Guzy, on documenting ICE.